Subject: REX – General Semantics – Questions – REBT.info
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:01:53 +0530
To: AskRex@rebtinfo.info <firstname.lastname@example.org>
My name is Jane. I too practice REBT and it has significantly improved my life.
I have been reading some of your articles on general semantics and E-Prime and find it very interesting. But it happened to spark of a few questions,
Please do assist me through this sir, have been finding it very difficult to get the answers
1) Why can’t you define or rate the essence of a human?
– If there is a human who’s almost all parts you dislike (thus all his thoughts, behaviors and emotions you rate as bad) then can you not subjectively call him a bad human being with a bad essence? (since you dislike 100 percent of him)
– Thus can I not say “i dislike almost all parts of Saddam and Osama thus according to me they are bad human beings with bad essences” ?
– or does e prime and GS ask to not relate between the essence of a human and the descriptions you give to their traits and parts? Like Bertrand Russell mentioning category errors?
2) I wanted to know if REBT would agree with E-Prime and its concept. Or did Ellis simply abandon it?
Please do assist me the questions sir. REBT is helping me a lot. But I’m annoyed with these confusions.
Jane . . .”
Great to hear from you, Excellent, thought-provoking questions, indeed, which I doubt we will be able to do justice to in a forum such as this. But that has never stopped me from trying, so here goes.
I guess the best way to answer your first question is by starting with your second question about ePrime.
REBT embraces ePrime. One of the early editions of Dr. Ellis’s “A New Guide to Rational Living” was written in ePrime. In subsequent editions the language was changed to more standard English because, I guess, the ePrime sounds “peculiar” and is distracting unless you are clear about why it is written in that style.
You asked why you can’t rate the essence of a human. We don’t like “can’t.” It often represents a special kind of cognitive distortion in it’s own right. And, of course, you can rate the essence of a human, or you can try to. We do it all the time. But REBT wants to persuade you that it is not a good idea. Having said that, I like ePrime because using it, you literally can’t rate a person’s essence. ePrime simply doesn’t allow you to do so It’s innate archetecture forces you to rate behavior not essence or self.
ePrime eliminates the use of the being verb, all forms of “is.” So, in ePrime there is no way to say “Osama is a bad man.” It is not a moral or philosophical issue. But without “is,” you simply cannot say that Osama is this, that or the other thing. ePrime forces you describe behavior, something along the lines of “Osama behaved badly.” This sentence doesn’t sound peculiar, but using adverts (bad + ly) in this way can get pretty tortured and being to sound strange which may explain why it is not used more commonly.
Why is this important?
Because it forces us to get specific and ask “What behavior do you refer to?” And, of course, we are referring to “911” and other acts of terror and violence. Doing so makes it clear that no matter how despicable some of Osama’s behavior may have been, it would be impossible for 100% of his behavior to be despicable, and in all likelihood he behaved well much of the time, and probably did a lot of good things as well. This can be a bitter pill to swallow when we have already decided in our own mind that someone is a “monster” or some other “rating” or global identity. It is often pointed out in these discussions that Hitler loved animals and children.
Rating behavior rather than self is a much healthier way of thinking and communicating. It forces us to be specific, and being specific forces us to be more hone and honest, and to take responsibility for our feelings and opinions. For example, if we say “Joe is an asshole!” That doesn’t tell us much. If we use ePrime, we have to say, “Joe behaved as an asshole!” Which then forces more specificity “When? Where? How? What do you mean?” That “smokes us out” to admit, perhaps we are angry with Joe because he turned down our request to borrow $1,000. Now, we are cooking with gas! Now there is some real, meaningful, potentially honest communication possible. Why did Joe turn you down? Was he being stingy? Does he have his own financial problems? Does he have “issues” with you? Does he believe you are not responsible, not a good risk? Who knows? But now at least there is the possibility of real communication . . . all because to avoided “rating” and name calling and got more specific.
Irrespective of ePrime, the easiest way of avoiding rating is to come up with a concept of self that is difficult or (even better) impossible to rate. As there is not a universal definition of self that all people can or do agree upon, and as humanity has been debating this issue for millennium, and as there is unlikely to be any such universal definition anytime soon, we all get to choose whatever concept of self we want. Probably best to keep it a little bit sane and rational; we wouldn’t want to choose Napoleon, for example, as our concept of self! Here are some possibilities of a self-concept that is resistant to rating, in no particular order or weight
- A soul
- The proverbial 98 cents worth of chemicals
- An atomic cloud (or just atoms)
- Bundles of billions of synaptic responses
- A bunch of conditioned reflexes
- A biological process
- An “operating system” that, unlike Windows, has no bugs or viruses, is cannot be hacked and never crashes. (Imagine that!).
All of these are resistant or impossible to rate. 98 cents worth of chemicals–as humble and uninteresting as that may sound—cannot be rated. Chemicals is chemicals is chemicals! More important, my 98 cents worth of chemicals are the same as your 98 cents worth of chemicals are the same as Sally’s, as Fred’s, and yes, even the same as Osama’s. Mine are no better than yours and vice versa and so on. They are not good chemicals or bad chemicals, they are just chemicals.
So, in this process, we don’t worry about “self.” We don’t try to “save” it. We don’t try to improve it. We don’t need to get (so called) “self-esteem.” We don’t need to fix it. We don’t need to transcend it. We don’t need to psychoanalyze it.
All we need to do is accept it, unconditionally. And if we accept our self unconditionally, we accept the self of others unconditionally.
We are welcome to rate behavior all we want, especially if we are specific, sane, rational and compassionate in the way we do so . . . But never, never, never attempt to rate self.
The REBT position (hardly limited to REBT) is that Osama may have done despicable things, but that does not make him a despicable person. This usually pisses people off no end, but stew on it for awhile and then let us know what you think.
Khon Kaen, Thailand
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